pomegranate - how to germinate the seed

[Riz]

A simple way....

they are so juicy and tasty aswell... i am eating half of them http://www.planetganja.com/highsociety/images/pc/smilies/smile.gif..

bought these from the local corner shop for 69 pence each :D

[Riz]

Just remove from the skin, crush the aril and dry the juice with a paper towel so it does not mold while germinating .

[Riz]

leave the seeds on a windowsill so they can dry out.... only for a couple of hours

these are dry as a bone now

[Riz]

cleaned out these green trays with washing up liquid earlier.... filled with soil, you dont have to plant the seeds deep, just leave on the surface and lightly cover with soil....

[Riz]

around 12 seeds per tray... wrap around with cling film

Cover with plastic/clingfilm and keep warm (70F - 80F) till it germinates. 4 - 6 weeks inshallah..

[Riz]

:eek:
well on the internet it said 4 to 6 weeks, but only after a week, i have germination.... :)

[Sakeena]

cool!

do you think you will get them to fruit?

[Riz]

maybe not in the first season, i was reading on the net that they dont grow to "true to form" like the mother plant, but i love pomigranite ( i eat them all the time)

[Riz]

here is a pic i just taken.. you can see the second set of leaves just developing.
i have around 6 seedlings so far...

second set of leaves on the seedling........ :)

[Riz]

Another update on the pomigranite seedling.....

[Riz]

its looking good at the moment :) i have around 6 seedlings, i got rid of the rest of them.....

[Riz]

another update on the pomegranate seedlings...

[Riz]

i have a few pics i taken today of the seedling wich is getting taller.... :cool:

[Riz]

sallam...


Another update on the seedlings, they are stretching and filling out slowly, i will keep them in the same pot untill mid may, when i will leave them outdoors all summer and pot them in a bigger container if all goes well

[Riz]

Another update on the biggest pommy plant......

[Sakeena]

impressive, how tall is it? how tall do you anticipate it'll grow to?

[Riz]

impressive, how tall is it? how tall do you anticipate it'll grow to?


thanks sakeena

they need re potting as well, i can see the white roots coming out of the holes on the bottom of the pot.. i was thinking of a bonsai style plant ( i will prune it so it remains small) but i have another 5 seedlings so i shall leave some out in the garden in the summer to see how big they get and maybe bring one or two in for the winter and put under a light to see if they will bear fruit :)

[Kirsten]

They look wonderful! :)

I have a tiny one at home - it's about half a year old and has about three sets of leaves (an inch or so tall). Unfortunately, that's all I've got - it just quit growing. I've heard that pomegranates have extremely deep taproots and stop growing when they hit the bottom, so I assumed that that's what happened with mine, but it looks like your pots aren't any bigger than the one mine's in and you have gorgeous plants! Any advice?

[Riz]

They look wonderful! :)

I have a tiny one at home - it's about half a year old and has about three sets of leaves (an inch or so tall). Unfortunately, that's all I've got - it just quit growing. I've heard that pomegranates have extremely deep taproots and stop growing when they hit the bottom, so I assumed that that's what happened with mine, but it looks like your pots aren't any bigger than the one mine's in and you have gorgeous plants! Any advice?

Hi Kirsten...

Too be honest with you there is not much info on the pomys on the net ( or any decent pics of seedlings) I use a fluorescent tube light and stick the pomy seedlings underneath, the lights are very cheap to run and give off virtually no heat and as you can see from the glossy green leaves they are healthy, in mid may i will leave them all out in the garden. Apart from the light source i don't give them any fertilizer or nutrients. The tube light is 35 watts and will cost less that £10 to buy with the fittings...

here is a link to the "Indoor section" as you can see i am using lights for tomatos and chili seedlings, just to give them a head start, the pics are from last season. http://www.muslimgrower.com/discussionforum/showthread.php?t=36

[Riz]

Another update on the pommi seedlings.. i have repotted them in a bigger container and now have plenty of side shoots,, i couldnt figure out what kind of nutrients to give them, so i just added some "rose feed" to the water

3 of them in the pics

[Riz]

they are branching out nicely..

[Riz]

i re potted two of my pomegranate seedlings into bigger containers.. the root-ball looked really healthy but was definitely root bound,, i am glad i checked i have been neglecting these for a while now...

[Kirsten]

All right, I finally decided to give this another try. I had seeds saved from a pomegranate I ate over a year ago, so I figured I had nothing to lose - I soaked them for about 24 hours in some water until they had swelled up again, then plunked them into a pot outside. Two out of the three have sprouted and I'm super excited - hoping I don't run into the same failures I did last time!

[Riz]

All right, I finally decided to give this another try. I had seeds saved from a pomegranate I ate over a year ago, so I figured I had nothing to lose - I soaked them for about 24 hours in some water until they had swelled up again, then plunked them into a pot outside. Two out of the three have sprouted and I'm super excited - hoping I don't run into the same failures I did last time!


I am glad you started some kirsten :)

I have noticed though that the seedlings dont like any cold weather in the evenings atall... so just watch the night time temps if you are planning on leaving them outdoors...

[Planter84]

Assalamu Alaikum,

first post on this site. looks good. I'm a novice at this stuff but I thought I'd share. Oh, and I'm in Houston, which has a "humid subtropic" climate. Climate is good for many plants, BUT, the soil is very difficult - a lot of it is clay.

We bought a pomegranate tree/bush from a market, probably about 2 feet tall, and put it in the ground and it didn't do too well. It basically grows VERY slowly and its grown little bit since we got it. Its mainly growing OUT, instead of UP. Looks more like a little shrub. It does flower a lot and yields considerable amounts of pomgegranate, but obviously they're small and unedible. I did plant it in loose soil and the hole was big, watered, fertilized, mulched. This one's got me puzzled as to why its so slow. The other fruit trees we planted (pear and guava) grew fast.

[Riz]

Assalamu Alaikum,


We bought a pomegranate tree/bush from a market, probably about 2 feet tall, and put it in the ground and it didn't do too well. It basically grows VERY slowly and its grown little bit since we got it. Its mainly growing OUT, instead of UP. Looks more like a little shrub. It does flower a lot and yields considerable amounts of pomgegranate, but obviously they're small and unedible. I did plant it in loose soil and the hole was big, watered, fertilized, mulched. This one's got me puzzled as to why its so slow. The other fruit trees we planted (pear and guava) grew fast.

Intresting...

I wonder if that little pomegranate bush is the "dwarf" version of the pomegranate.. Looks right you did everything right though, how long ago did you plant it ?

[Planter84]

Intresting...

I wonder if that little pomegranate bush is the "dwarf" version of the pomegranate.. Looks right you did everything right though, how long ago did you plant it ?

I planted it about 1 year ago. Like I said, it grew a little. Flowers considerably. Will put up picture shortly.

[Planter84]

here's some pictures of the pomegranate. on the last pic, you can see the new growth at the tip of the branch.

[Riz]

lovley pics brother.. i love the flowers on it

some info i sourced which might be useful to you.......


Pomegranates grow well in alkaline desert soils, and they can withstand scorching heat and temperatures as low as 10 degrees.
Regular watering is important for good fruit development. Water requirements are about the same as for citrus. Water the plants weekly in the summer and every other week in the cooler months.
When trained as a tree, pomegranates have a lot of suckers that grow from the root and crown area. Cut them off, allowing only one trunk to develop, and remove additional suckers from around the main trunk. The goal is to produce a stocky, compact framework.
Light annual pruning of established trees encourages production of good-quality fruit. Dead or damaged wood should be removed in late winter. Suckering growth should be removed as it appears.
Don't fertilize pomegranates when they're first planted. Young trees should receive about 2 pounds of an 8-8-8 or similar analysis fertilizer in November and March.
(An 8-8-8 fertilizer contains 8 percent total nitrogen, 8 percent phosphoric acid and 8 percent water-soluble potash. The nutrients are always listed in this order on the label attached to the fertilizer.)
Mature trees require 5 pounds of a similar analysis fertilizer at the same intervals. Excessive or late applications tend to delay fruit maturity and reduce color and quality.
Pomegranate trees are self-fruitful, meaning they don't require cross-pollination from another pomegranate tree to produce fruit.
Severe fruit drop during the plant's juvenile period (three to five years) is not uncommon. Fruit drop is aggravated by over-fertilization and excess watering — practices favoring leafy growth.
Avoid putting young plants in stressful conditions. Mature trees seem to set and hold fruit better than younger trees, so have patience.
There is a dwarf variety of pomegranate (Punica granatum "Nana") that makes an ideal potted plant. It's available in single or double flowering forms and has dark green, nearly evergreen foliage.
The dwarf produces small pomegranate fruits, but those fruits have thick skin and lack edible pulp.

[Planter84]

lovley pics brother.. i love the flowers on it

some info i sourced which might be useful to you.......


Pomegranates grow well in alkaline desert soils, and they can withstand scorching heat and temperatures as low as 10 degrees.
Regular watering is important for good fruit development. Water requirements are about the same as for citrus. Water the plants weekly in the summer and every other week in the cooler months.
When trained as a tree, pomegranates have a lot of suckers that grow from the root and crown area. Cut them off, allowing only one trunk to develop, and remove additional suckers from around the main trunk. The goal is to produce a stocky, compact framework.
Light annual pruning of established trees encourages production of good-quality fruit. Dead or damaged wood should be removed in late winter. Suckering growth should be removed as it appears.
Don't fertilize pomegranates when they're first planted. Young trees should receive about 2 pounds of an 8-8-8 or similar analysis fertilizer in November and March.
(An 8-8-8 fertilizer contains 8 percent total nitrogen, 8 percent phosphoric acid and 8 percent water-soluble potash. The nutrients are always listed in this order on the label attached to the fertilizer.)
Mature trees require 5 pounds of a similar analysis fertilizer at the same intervals. Excessive or late applications tend to delay fruit maturity and reduce color and quality.
Pomegranate trees are self-fruitful, meaning they don't require cross-pollination from another pomegranate tree to produce fruit.
Severe fruit drop during the plant's juvenile period (three to five years) is not uncommon. Fruit drop is aggravated by over-fertilization and excess watering — practices favoring leafy growth.
Avoid putting young plants in stressful conditions. Mature trees seem to set and hold fruit better than younger trees, so have patience.
There is a dwarf variety of pomegranate (Punica granatum "Nana") that makes an ideal potted plant. It's available in single or double flowering forms and has dark green, nearly evergreen foliage.
The dwarf produces small pomegranate fruits, but those fruits have thick skin and lack edible pulp.

Hey thanks for the info.

So do you think I should cut off one of the side branches to promote "upward" growth? is that even possible? I don't remember where I read that -- something about cutting off branches growing out of the "root" to promote growth out of the "crown". Know anything about that?

You don't think mines is a dwarf variety do you? I'm pretty sure the guy said it was a pomegranate TREE when I bought it.

[Kirsten]

Another US person!! Welcome!!

Your tree looks beautiful, I hope mine gets to that stage someday :)

[Riz]

planter..

I think you should leave it for now and when it has stopped flowering then maybe you can cut the whole bush back..
shame you dont know the name of the pommie bush though !!

[Planter84]

planter..

I think you should leave it for now and when it has stopped flowering then maybe you can cut the whole bush back..
shame you dont know the name of the pommie bush though !!

lol. yes, i'm guilty!

[Riz]

salaam..

I had a few pommies plants, i kept one indoors next to a windosill, and it has really stretched for the light, the skinny branches are almost touching the floor but on the plus side its green and healthy unlike the one that i have outdoors ( pics later)

So i gave this one a small pruning, i will be putting this one under a grow light.

[~Obsidian~]

How do te pommies Riz/P84? I'm thinking to start one meself now, went to the shop and bought one and a fig, hoping to start some trees :)

[Riz]

How do te pommies Riz/P84? I'm thinking to start one meself now, went to the shop and bought one and a fig, hoping to start some trees :)

whats p/84 ?

[~Obsidian~]

Planter84...shouldn't abbreviate I guess!

[Riz]

Planter84...shouldn't abbreviate I guess!

haha of course...


I have 3 pommies, 2 outdoors and 1 indoors... the ones outdoors were suffering because of the cold a while ago and they have bounced back with green leafs, and the one indoors is doing great, pics to come later inshallah...

[Riz]

here is a pic of the pommie plant outdoors ( sorry about the quality of the pic) ill bring it indoors soon to over winter it........

[~Obsidian~]

Wow so much lighter than the one indoors. Will it bounce back do you think?

[Kirsten]

Mine (currently at home with my parents) is still only about an inch tall. I called home today and mentioned that it might get to the size of a bush... and my mom freaked and now wants to throw it out. :mad:

[~Obsidian~]

:D LOL! What will she threaten to do if she knew it could turn into a tree? :p Maybe you should keep her sweet with the prospect of her own fruit?

[Riz]

you can tell by the redness of the leaves that the pommie plants have been suffering with the cold weather... these have been outdoor since june, but they have survived :)

[Riz]

A pic of the pommy plant which have been indoors for a while, wanted to give it a good watering so i took it in the garden :)

[~Obsidian~]

Can't wait for mine to reach that stage InshaAllah! I've got two surviving seeds atm (the rest of 'em went mouldy :(), it's so cool the way their leaves are so tightly folded into that casing! Well I've got one with open leaves and one that the case has come off of, I'm hoping that will survive and open up too! I had to repot them (and I mixed some sand in the compost) because the flippin top goes mouldy indoors...yes I know, it's gross!

[edibles]

As-Salamu Alaykum
sorry for not making a intro page (rush rush)

been looking through this thread and picked up some nice tips, anyway i have tried to grow pomegranates twice and failed they stay warm and i water wen soil get quite dry i dont no wot i am doing rong any help

[Riz]

As-Salamu Alaykum
sorry for not making a intro page (rush rush)

been looking through this thread and picked up some nice tips, anyway i have tried to grow pomegranates twice and failed they stay warm and i water wen soil get quite dry i dont no wot i am doing rong any help

w/salaam.. :)

what about the light source ? that's the most important part of it, it needs a good light source for it to grow well and be healthy..

are you in uk ?

[edibles]

what about the light source ?

east or west no south in house

are you in uk ?

yes london

also i have a big loquat tree that doesnt fruit its up to the second floor of our house their are some flowers in spring any help

[Riz]

yep..

Not enough Quality light.... did you take it outdoors through the summer !?

[edibles]

no started late about beginning september (almost instant germination and then instant death) and then second attempt 1 week later grew about 1 inch and died a few days ago

1st attempt 3 germination
2nd attempt 5 germination (one grew for about a month)

[Riz]

were did you get the seeds from ?

what type of soil did you use ?

how often did you water them ?

have you used any nutrients on them ?

did you keep them at room temps at all time ( espically when they just sprouted)

[edibles]

were did you get the seeds from
regular store bought pom
what type of soil did you use ?
multi purpose (what i had to hand) im not to much of a enthusiast gardener

how often did you water them ?
once or twice a week
have you used any nutrients on them ?
no they weren't big enough they did not have the second set of leaves properly developed
did you keep them at room temps at all time ( espically when they just sprouted)
i kept them slightly above room temp at night

[Riz]

its the light source ( not enough light) i feel. As the ones i germinated went straight under some tube lights ( very in-expensive) and they grew well the leaves were dark green and lush, and they went outdoors for the summer,
During the winter months there isn't enough light coming through the windows for some seedlings, so you can try putting the seedlings in a plastic clear bag ( mini greenhouse) and then leaving them at the windowsill.

[~Obsidian~]

Hmm I'm wondering if thats the problem with mine too..

How often do I water them? I'm afraid that the soil will go mouldy :/

[edibles]

ill try again in the spring

[~Obsidian~]

You could try some grow lights?

Mine are still at the stage of looking like clovers, I don't plan to give up on them yet!! I'll put them under my ordinary lamp and see how it goes maybe you can try that too?

[edibles]

i wont go for grow lights for 2 reasons

1 im 14 which means i cant be bothered
2 if i hav a chose between sweets and grow lights sweets win every time

[edibles]

may go 4 a desk lamp though

[~Obsidian~]

i wont go for grow lights for 2 reasons

1 im 14 which means i cant be bothered
2 if i hav a chose between sweets and grow lights sweets win every time
hahaha :D
may go 4 a desk lamp though
That's what I'm planning to use

[edibles]

cfl lights are maybe a good replacement for tube lights

[~Obsidian~]

I don't think he has standard tube lights?

What country are you in anywhoo?

[edibles]

i have 2 pom plants in Pakistan 1 ornamental and 1 edible fruits
and 6 mango plants from seed its annoying how we struggle in Britain but it so easy in warm places

[~Obsidian~]

Ah right. Yep, I would so love the chance to plant some stuff there! When did you start growing things? You sound pretty knowledgeable already mashaAllah

[edibles]

ive only grown about three things before recently(about 2 moths ago)
which were beans sunflower and cactus( cactus was not from seed)

[~Obsidian~]

Okey. Well keep us updated, and with pics!

[tahir_phoenix]

Salaam Riz

How's the Pommy plants coming along - any fruit? Also any new pics? I saw an amazing pommy plant at a friend's house this weekend with two little FRUITS!! Its the one time I wished I'd had my camera with me but I didn't! I'll try and get some pics in a few weeks.

[Riz]

w/salaam T

yeah brother i have lots of pics.. its indoors at the moment because of the crap weather, its under a 400 watt hps light ( high pressured sodium) for around 6 hours per day. so ill keep it alive and bushy untill next season. do pomegranates self pollinate ?

i think they do...

[Riz]

didn't know what to feed it so i used miracle grow :) It shed a lot of leaves that yellowed but now with the abundance of light its bouncing back with lush growth.

[edibles]

thats 1 beauty
the 1 i have in pakistan is smaller than that (taller but nowere near as bushy)
anyway i dont no if u have seen my dragon fruit post but their was a sprout(pom sprout in the pic) i threw about 7 seeds in thinking i was going to get about 1 germination but no i got 7/7 which i exciting and anooying becaus
1 icant look after that many
2 i dont like culling

any congrats on that plant(i wouldnt be suprised if u got fruit next year)
oh and sorry about the immense amount of posts yesterday(my plans were cancelled)

[Riz]

BTW did you know pommies are deciduous?

Describing trees and shrubs, that shed their leaves at the end of the growing season or during a dry season to reduce transpiration (the loss of water by evaporation). i gave them a shake today and almost all the leaves fell off, you have to be careful when you over winter deciduous plants and shrubs as watering them too much can easily cause "root rot" so one has to water them sparingly and infrequently. I have 2 of them growing, the smaller one is a lot greener than its big brother, I shall prune back the smaller one and put it under a tube light, maybe give it 5 hours of light per day ( i have a timer) untill spring...

[tahir_phoenix]

BTW did you know pommies are deciduous?

I didn't know this!! :eek: but I have a question, my friend has a superb Pommie with a few flowers and 3 fruits on it but it doesn't seem to have shed any leaves yet? Are there different varieties which keep the leaves or is it becoz he's been growing it indoors? :confused:

[Riz]

well i had to bring mine indoors in mid September because of the weather, the leaves only fell of in the last couple of days whilst its been indoors, nearly a month now.

has he been growing the pommie bush indoors all its life ?
Fertilize in November and March for the first two years. Otherwise, not much fertilizer is usually needed in subsequent years.


Maintenance/Pruning:

Pomegranates are prone to producing suckers, so remove them as they appear.
Pruning procedures:


Cut the pomegranate back once it is 2' high.
Allow 4-5 shoots to develop about 1' above ground.
For the first three years keep shortening the branches to encourage shoot development. Fruit only develops where there is new growth.
After 3 years, just prune away dead, damaged or diseased branches.

[Riz]

really he should be cutting that pommie bush back right now , give it a good pruning it will benefit from it..

[Riz]

found some info :-

Growth Habits: The pomegranate is a neat, rounded shrub or small tree that can grow to 20 or 30 ft., but more typically to 12 to 16 ft. in height. Dwarf varieties are also known. It is usually deciduous, but in certain areas the leaves will persist on the tree. The trunk is covered by a red-brown bark which later becomes gray. The branches are stiff, angular and often spiny. There is a strong tendency to sucker from the base. Pomegranates are also long-lived. There are specimens in Europe that are known to be over 200 years of age. The vigor of a pomegranate declines after about 15 years, however.

[Riz]

The pommi plants are doing really well.. i have been careful not to over water them and made sure they were in the warmest room in the house.. i keep them under lights for 4 hours per day.. i am liking the look of them.. i have 2 :)

[edibles]

pommies are surprisingly hardy
It can be severely injured by temperatures below 12º F (-11.11º C). The plant favors a semi-arid climate and is extremely drought -tolerant

[edibles]

i love pommegranites and im not giving up now im giving it another shot

[~Obsidian~]

Wooo! Go edibles!! I got to that stage last time and then...erm...something happened to them :confused:

[edibles]

Wooo! Go edibles!! I got to that stage last time and then...erm...something happened to them :confused:

lol, yes every single one i have had gets to this stage when.... erm happens to them

[Riz]

lol, yes every single one i have had gets to this stage when.... erm happens to them



I have noticed and i have done it in the past myself..

sometimes you can kill the seedlings with over kindness too much water to frequently the roots need time to perspire and absorb the water before it gets flooded with more water, so don't water them too much and don't under water either.. leave them at the windowsill at room temperature and inshallah it will all be good.. when they grow the leaves and you have them in a shallow container or tray its time to plant them on to deeper pots as the roots grow pretty quick.

ps: edibles great pic :)

[tahir_phoenix]

Riz is absolutely correct about the watering, I haven't watered mine for at least a couple of weeks, just spray them with some mist every few days and I only lost 2 seedlings so far, the rest seem to be growing ok - very slowly though - these are about 2 months old!!

[~Obsidian~]

They look lovely mashaAllah

I'm still trying to remember what happened to mine :confused: they didn't die from overwatering or anything like that, I think I just lost them somewhere/misplaced pot, then they died!

[tahir_phoenix]

They look lovely mashaAllah

I'm still trying to remember what happened to mine :confused: they didn't die from overwatering or anything like that, I think I just lost them somewhere/misplaced pot, then they died!

Keep planting some more they are soooooo easy to grow!! :)

[~Obsidian~]

InshaAllah this summer, when they'll have a good chance to grow! Love the avatar btw!

[Psypomp]

I have some seeds saved from the fall, I'll plant them come spring.

To be honest, I haven't had any luck with these. The first time I planted them, they got moldy. The second time, they didn't do anything. I had them sitting in an egg carton full of soil for about 2 months, and nothing happened! Was it just too cold (I planted them in the fall)??

[Riz]

To be honest, I haven't had any luck with these. The first time I planted them, they got moldy. The second time, they didn't do anything. I had them sitting in an egg carton full of soil for about 2 months, and nothing happened! Was it just too cold (I planted them in the fall)??

I think the best time to germinate the seeds is in march- april, this way come mid -may you can leave them outdoors to enjoy the sun..... :GreenThumbs:

[aamirc]

I think either you planted your seeds to deep or you had soil way to moist... that could be a reason why they went moldy... Also I have one question why are some of Tahir's plants leaves pointy and other's very well rounded. is there any significance to this. My plant so far has nice round leaves. hmmmm... most of the massive pomie trees i see have pointy leaves not these round ones. Is this because they are still young?

[Psypomp]

Thanks, Riz, I guess I'll try germinating them again in a few weeks.

aamirc, it looks like the pointy leaves are newer than the rounded ones, since they're at the top (or is it the other way around?)

Actually, I started the seeds wrapped in tissue, inside a plastic baggie, so maybe it was too much moisture.

[tahir_phoenix]

Also I have one question why are some of Tahir's plants leaves pointy and other's very well rounded. is there any significance to this. My plant so far has nice round leaves. hmmmm... most of the massive pomie trees i see have pointy leaves not these round ones. Is this because they are still young?

Salaam Aamirc - Psypomp is right the pointy leaves are the new ones at the top, after a week or so they will become more rounded like the others.

I'll post some pics tomorrow on the progress of my poms as just over the last few days they have really started to grow, maybe becoz the days are now getting longer and they have more light :)

Psypomp - Best advice i can give on the seeds is don't overwater and don't plant too deep in the compost - also don't use the plastic bag method as I don't think it will work becoz it will create too much mositure :GreenThumbs:

[tahir_phoenix]

Here's some pics I took yesterday of the poms, they have done really well considering the freezing winter we've had! I repotted one seedling into its own large pot to compare the growth difference.

Finally spring is here (almost) and all my plants are beginning to shoot up new leaves, I'm expecting to catch up on Riz's amazing pommie plants by the end of this season inshallah :D

[Riz]

Also I have one question why are some of Tahir's plants leaves pointy and other's very well rounded. is there any significance to this. My plant so far has nice round leaves. hmmmm... most of the massive pomie trees i see have pointy leaves not these round ones. Is this because they are still young?

that might be because its just a different strain of the pommie fruit, like you have several hundred different strains of chillis...

[aamirc]

that might be because its just a different strain of the pommie fruit, like you have several hundred different strains of chillis...
sounds about right Riz...

I've got another question about watering, how often should i water the plant and how much water should I give it (ml)? Right now I am giving it about half a cup a week. I've heard pommies don't like too much water. I'm scared of over watering them.

Also I leave my pommie plant next to a window sill which receives sunlight for 6 hours from sunrise to midday, is that enough sunlight for the plant?

[tahir_phoenix]

how often should i water the plant and how much water should I give it (ml)? Right now I am giving it about half a cup a week. I've heard pommies don't like too much water. I'm scared of over watering them.

Also I leave my pommie plant next to a window sill which receives sunlight for 6 hours from sunrise to midday, is that enough sunlight for the plant?

Sunlight for 6 hrs a day till midday!! :eek: What temps do u have in the room where u keep them? And how quickly does the soil dry out in the pots?

Mine are kept on the sunniest windowsill all day and I usually water them every 4 days or when the soil feels very dry (put a large wooden cocktail stick or pencil into the soil - if it comes out dry they need watering, if its got soil on it then its ok for a few days). I water them till its coming out the bottom of the pot - this ensures the roots are well drenched.

Do u have any photos of your plants, how fast are they growing??

[aamirc]

Sunlight for 6 hrs a day till midday!! What temps do u have in the room where u keep them? And how quickly does the soil dry out in the pots?

Well first of all, sunrise is at 6:50 am in Aus and midday is at 1:15 pm, hence 6 hours. I have a window which stretches from floor to ceiling on the second story of my house and there are no big trees or houses in front of the window. What's more is that the window faces directly east and our house is sort of on the top of mini hill. Lucky me I guess i get lots of :sunny:.

Sad thing is that the soil doesn't seem very dry. It always seems wet looking at it. Is it better to give it less water more often or more water less often? Are you sure it's safe too drench the plant like that. I don't want to drown the little thing or disturb the soil by watering too much. This is the first fruit bearing plant i've ever grown and the second plant using a seed.:cool:

Do u have any photos of your plants, how fast are they growing??

Well it germinated in about 2 weeks. It was slow growth at first untill I put it on that window sill. Before I put it on that sill it grew to about a cm in a week. It's been a week since I put it next to that window and it's about 2 inches tall now with 2 sets of leaves. I took photos of it today, I will hopefully post them tomorrow if I can. One of the leaves looks and feels slightly burnt but I don't think you can see it on the photo. I was rotating it around the house and outdoors to maximize the sunlight. I was effectively getting it sunlight from 7 in the morning to 7:30 in the evening, but I stopped doing that when i saw the leaf so dry. :(

Oh and after 4 weeks since planting the seeds two more seedlings sprouted two days ago and they are growing much faster than the first. I doubt I'll get any good fruit out of them though because the seeds are from market fruit. I have heard that pomegranate seeds vary a lot from their parent fruit. Everywhere I read I see advice saying that get a cutting from a pommie plant in winter and plant that. Supposedly it will bear the same strain of fruit as the plant the cutting is from. HOwever, I have never had success with cuttings and can't be bothered trying. My mum has got roses to grow from cuttings but I think they are good at growing like that though.

Insha-allah you guys get a lot of sun like me too.

Salam, will post pics tomorrow.

[aamirc]

Here are the pics, the third set of leaves are sort of sprouting... But you can't see them in the pics. These are extreme closeups so there is glare on the leaves, sorry. I've also posted pictures of the two baby plants.

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I can't seem to embed the pictures.

For smaller sized pictures go here....
http://c4lions.blogspot.com/2009/03/yes-its-anar.html

[tahir_phoenix]

Well first of all, sunrise is at 6:50 am in Aus and midday is at 1:15 pm, hence 6 hours. I have a window which stretches from floor to ceiling on the second story of my house and there are no big trees or houses in front of the window. What's more is that the window faces directly east and our house is sort of on the top of mini hill. Lucky me I guess i get lots of :sunny:.

Sad thing is that the soil doesn't seem very dry. It always seems wet looking at it. Is it better to give it less water more often or more water less often? Are you sure it's safe too drench the plant like that. I don't want to drown the little thing or disturb the soil by watering too much. This is the first fruit bearing plant i've ever grown and the second plant using a seed.:cool:

One of the leaves looks and feels slightly burnt but I don't think you can see it on the photo. I was rotating it around the house and outdoors to maximize the sunlight. I was effectively getting it sunlight from 7 in the morning to 7:30 in the evening, but I stopped doing that when i saw the leaf so dry. :(

Oh and after 4 weeks since planting the seeds two more seedlings sprouted two days ago and they are growing much faster than the first. I doubt I'll get any good fruit out of them though because the seeds are from market fruit. I have heard that pomegranate seeds vary a lot from their parent fruit. Everywhere I read I see advice saying that get a cutting from a pommie plant in winter and plant that. Supposedly it will bear the same strain of fruit as the plant the cutting is from. HOwever, I have never had success with cuttings and can't be bothered trying. My mum has got roses to grow from cuttings but I think they are good at growing like that though.



Salaam aamirc - These seedlings look very healthy! I have the same problem with my camera, if i get too close (even with Macro on) the object goes blurry, but i have a warning now on the cam so I can focus at the right distance.

Your poms are also same as mine, the bottom leaves are round and the new ones are more pointy - all of my new leaves are pointy not round. In terms of watering, if the soil seems wet/damp most of the time, water them less often - u don't want to overwater them and they keel over! Also in terms of drenching the plant, it depends on the size of the pot, yours looks like a large pot so I would advise not to drench it, my main seedlings are in a small 7cm high pot so only a small amount of water is needed to go straight through to the bottom.

Yes i've heard that cuttings are better but in the UK its impossible to get hold of a cutting of plants like this, however I found out over the winter that one of my friends has a nice pommie plant which has flowered and now has small fruit on it so I might take a cutting off his. He brought it from Pakistan and the plant is only 3 years old so thats not too long to wait for fruit.

[aamirc]

Yes i've heard that cuttings are better but in the UK its impossible to get hold of a cutting of plants like this, however I found out over the winter that one of my friends has a nice pommie plant which has flowered and now has small fruit on it so I might take a cutting off his. He brought it from Pakistan and the plant is only 3 years old so thats not too long to wait for fruit.

Salam tahir, my grandad has a pommie plant which yields fruit in pakistan in his front yard... but quarantine restrictions in australia don't allow that sort of stuff through. However, I do know of a Pommie tree which is growing not far from my place which yields fruit (although small). I will take a cutting of it and plant it in the winter, it's currently summer here.:sunny:

[aamirc]

Hey Tahir, by any chance did your pomegranate seeds come from the wonderful strain? I took my seeds from a POM Wonderful pomegranate. They originate from California, USA.

[pomegranate]

riz could u send me few germinaed pomegranate plants. i tries sooooo may times it always died. please send me few small germinated seeds

[tahir_phoenix]

Hey Tahir, by any chance did your pomegranate seeds come from the wonderful strain? I took my seeds from a POM Wonderful pomegranate. They originate from California, USA.

I'm not sure where they originate from, I germinated the seeds from pommies I got from a local supermarket, next time I am there I will check the origin of the pommies, they may well be the wonderful strain!

We've had some decent weather over the last week and the poms are doing really well, how's urs doing?

[aamirc]

They are growing good, the third set of leaves have semi-developed. It's getting nice and taller. Excellent weather here too. I put them outside in clear sunshine for the whole day and bring them inside as soon as night comes.

[Riz]

^ good stuff :GreenThumbs:


Ill post some pics of my 2 pommie plants later on ., both are in there second season and have woody stems :)

[tahir_phoenix]

riz could u send me few germinaed pomegranate plants. i tries sooooo may times it always died. please send me few small germinated seeds

Hey pomegranate - I have quite a few pommie seedlings spare, basically I planted loads of seeds and they all germinated and are very healthy and growing like rockets, if you want a few let me know and I'll post them to you! :GreenThumbs:

[edibles]

Ill post some pics of my 2 pommie plants later on ., both are in there second season and have woody stems

should be getting tougher and hardier, though I wouldn't risk putting it outside in winter (too damp and wet)

[aamirc]

Hey Riz - I was just wondering have you been cutting off the suckers that grow at the base of the plant?

[Riz]

^ well i have been generally pruning the whole bushy plant back... suckers and everything else

[daisy]

Have read through the entire thread, the pictures are amazing :)

I want to attempt growing some insha'Allaah in the next few weeks.

daisy
:butterfly3:

[aamirc]

Have read through the entire thread, the pictures are amazing :)

I want to attempt growing some insha'Allaah in the next few weeks.

daisy


Super wow.. you read the whole 11 pages. Nice stuff, I think the best pictures are the ones Riz took of his plants in the early stages. The extra pictures from everyone else are cool too, as you can see a lot of the plants look quite different.

Plant the seeds now it will take at least 3-6 weeks to germinate the seeds, I lost hope of my seeds germinating but then all of a sudden three popped out. I lost patience and dug up some of the seeds I planted to see if they had grown at all and they hadn't. Lucky me I left a few in without taking a peek and they grew. The Pommie plant grows very slowly.

Here is a pic of my first germinated pommie plant. It's growing nicely and you can notice that colour of the main stem is changing from baby green to nice redish brown. I was confused about this at first because I thought there was a weed growing in my pot because it was green not redish brown like Riz's. I also thought it was a weed because the first set of leaves were round not long like Riz's either. However, it turned out that Tahir's plant also had a round first set of leaves before getting pointy ones.

http://i39.tinypic.com/2v1qbfn.jpg

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Sorry for the first picture, I forgot to turn the lamp light on before taking it. Then I ran out of batteries and couldn't get any more angles of the plant.

Aamir

[pomegranate]

can i buy pomegranate seedlings off anyone?

[Riz]

can i buy pomegranate seedlings off anyone?

read post 103 :)

[aamirc]

Salaam

About 6 weeks ago I planted a cutting of a pomegranate, it does not seem to be growing at all. The leaves have shriveled up but are still hanging on.

Has anyone had success with this method? I understand the best time to take cuttings for propagation is late winter. Propagation from cuttings is supposed to be the best way to grow a pomegranate tree as they grow true to type and fruit earlier. Seeds are unreliable in this matter.

Among other advice I've read states that they need lots of water to root and shade at the same time. A peat mix is supposed to be the best medium to root pomegranate cuttings. Also rooting agent is preferable too. I didn't apply rooting agent to my cuttings maybe that's why they failed.

If anyone has had any experience in this could they please shed their wisdom with me. I will attempt this again in mid to late winter.

Thanks.

[Riz]

its a hit and miss rooting cuttings sometimes...

I am surprised you only had one cutting, i would have asked for several cuttings to increase the chance of a few setting roots.... some plants are easier than others to root, i have rooted chili cuttings and have had 90% success rate...... It doesn't matter when you take the cuttings as long as you can give them the basic needs, light,warmth,water.

here is how i rooted chilli cuttings in peat pellets and using rooting powder, it may be useful for you inshallah

http://www.muslimgrower.com/discussionforum/showthread.php?t=57

[aamirc]

I've just had a read of that other thread and I did soak them in water for a day. I didn't have those peat pallets hence I planted them straight into the ground. However, I didn't strip any leaves off the cutting. Could that be the cause? Also my cutting was about 30 cm tall, is that too big? What is the optimum size for a cutting?

And for the record I had more than one cutting, and I sort of didn't ask for them because I don't think there is an owner of the tree I took it off. It sort of exists near a Mosque I visit, so I can drop by anytime and take a cutting. The tree is close to 3 meters tall, and over 10 years old so I don't think a few branches will hinder it.

Another question does the cutting have to be a clean cut or is it OK to just break it off using hands?

I wonder if my local garden shop sells peat pellets. Thanks for the advice Riz.

[tahir_phoenix]

can i buy pomegranate seedlings off anyone?

Hello Pomegranate - don't think u read my post a few days ago in reply to your request for seedlings:

"I have quite a few pommie seedlings spare, basically I planted loads of seeds and they all germinated and are very healthy and growing like rockets, if you want a few let me know and I'll post them to you!"

Just email me and I'll send you some to get started with :)

[aamirc]

Hey Tahir, are you planning to send him seeds or are you sending him a germinated plant? Will the plant even survive the time it will take to reach it's destination.

[Riz]

An update on my pommie plants, i germinated the seeds 2 seasons ago.. kept 2 of them and left them around the house through winter, one of them is doing quite well and the other one has shed all it leaves bar a few, they are supposed to shed leaves through the winter anyway.... we will see :)

[Riz]

the other one, that has shed a lot more leaves..

[edibles]

wow nice i wouldn't worry about the leave they have no trouble with British temps, so long as they are dry

[tahir_phoenix]

Hey Tahir, are you planning to send him seeds or are you sending him a germinated plant? Will the plant even survive the time it will take to reach it's destination.

I'm planning to send some of the seedlings u can see in my pictures earlier in this thread in the small pot.

I haven't repotted them yet but will do in a few weeks so Pomegranate needs to hurry up and let me know if he/she wants some. I'll post them in a sealed sandwich bag bare rooted (most of the soil removed) and wrap the roots in a damp tissue to keep them moist so they don't die during postage - should be ok as long as its in the UK (1st class post is usually 1 day)!

[tahir_phoenix]

the other one, that has shed a lot more leaves..

The one with the leaves looks really good but why has one lost all its leaves and the other hasn't???

Did u keep them both indoors?

[edibles]

The one with the leaves looks really good but why has one lost all its leaves and the other hasn't???

Did u keep them both indoors?

pomegranates are deciduous so they should lose their leaves accordingly to season, however if it is warm enough they stay on

[Riz]

The one with the leaves looks really good but why has one lost all its leaves and the other hasn't???

Did u keep them both indoors?

yeah both indoors.. Hmm not sure too be honest, keeping a close eye on it though..

i re potted the healthy one in a container twice the size, scattered a handful of chicken pellets in the bottom of the soil as well...

i was going to scatter some trace elements granules on top of the soil, but then i remembered the chicken pellets, so i didnt bother with it.......

[Riz]

the only thing that concerns me ( newbie mistake) i bought some compost today and left the bag outside in the garden, so maybe i should have bought some compost indoors and waited till it became room temp soil and then re potted the pommie bush, this way the roots wont go into shock because of the cold soil,
remember it has spent the last 6 months inside a room which was room temp.. should be ok though, i left it near a radiator so it should warm up soon :)

wish me luck :)

[aamirc]

good luck, may god be with you.... God willing they will survive :D

[pomegranate]

THANK YOU EVERY SOO MUCH. MY E-MAIL ADDRESS IS ajeepan1@homail.co.uk.
if you could send me a mail about this, i'll give you my address.

thank you soooo much!!!!

[Riz]

^ hey

just send him a P.M. that is what we all do :)

[edibles]

hey guys guess what happened to mine?
1:it well and happy pushing out growth as we speak
2:It is alive but dormant from cold
3:It is growing a thin stem from lack of light
4:the usual Its dead

Correct answer:4:the usual Its dead

time to plant some more, never give up...
until you get bored

[~Obsidian~]

:D lol

[Riz]

I I didn't strip any leaves off the cutting. Could that be the cause? Also my cutting was about 30 cm tall, is that too big? What is the optimum size for a cutting?

the smaller the better i feel, they will need less energy to keep going,, next time try rooting the suckers of the pommie plants..


Another question does the cutting have to be a clean cut or is it OK to just break it off using hands?

the cutting has to be clean, use a sharp pair of scissors or secateurs/knife.. snapping a stem off with your hands is a bit brutal, you can splinter the stem and damage it causing fungal damage later on... its best to take off a branch of the pommie tree and take it home and cut many cuttings of it.....


I wonder if my local garden shop sells peat pellets. Thanks for the advice Riz.

you can get them from hydroponics shops or online...

[aamirc]

Hey Riz when you prune your plant this year can you attempt to root a cutting of your pomegranate plant for educational purposes please.

[pomegranate]

riz do you think you will get any flowers out of those plants?

[edibles]

riz do you think you will get any flowers out of those plants?

he may well do, i think though riz is dead chuffed to get this far, he wont rizk anything to force them. also they look great with or without fruit.

i'm so happy my new one (only one germinated) are nearly on their second leaf set. more light thats what i think. :GreenThumbs::natur011:

[aamirc]

edibles keep them somewhere warm with a bit of light they should grow nicely. I think the main factor is the temperature for them. Light is not as big an issue. Keep them warm at night as it probably gets really cold then. You shall soon have a plant with too many leaves like mine. One of my pomegranate plants is not growing upwards it's just growing on the spot. :D Leaves keep on sprouting on the sides instead of at the top. Now I've got two branches that have formed on it. Good Luck.

[pomegranate]

Good luck on your plants

[edibles]

Hey Riz when you prune your plant this year can you attempt to root a cutting of your pomegranate plant for educational purposes please.

that would be useful if i ever get to that stage,
should it be easy to root.

[edibles]

i got to the third set of leaves, yay.

[aamirc]

mine are on their 7th set of leaves woot. I don't even water them often, once every two weeks, and the soil is still moist when I do water them. I read on the net that someones pommie plant flowered in the first year. dON'T know if they were telling the truth or not.

[edibles]

mine are on their 7th set of leaves woot. I don't even water them often, once every two weeks, and the soil is still moist when I do water them. I read on the net that someones pommie plant flowered in the first year. dON'T know if they were telling the truth or not.

im hitting my fourth set now(catching you up). watering is mixed were they come from so they do tolerate drought.
as for the dude(ette) who got it to fruit, it may have been a cutting, because they can fruit in six months.

[~Obsidian~]

I couldn't find any in my local shops, but I just bought one last night from another area (doesn't look very fresh but as long as it's got seeds I'm not complaining!!) Hope to start mine again soon inshaAllah, I remember I spotted a pommie plant in my local florists, for 20/25 pounds! :eek: That was back when I had my own seedlings.

[Riz]

pics of the 2 pommie plants..

[Psypomp]

Oh wow, Riz, those are really gorgeous.

I thought plants only produced flowers when they were sexually mature.. and doesn't it have a couple years before that happens? Aamirc, it's quite possible that person was fibbing :rolleyes:

[Nife180]

Oh wow, Riz, those are really gorgeous.

I thought plants only produced flowers when they were sexually mature.. and doesn't it have a couple years before that happens? Aamirc, it's quite possible that person was fibbing :rolleyes:

If the tree is grafted, then It produces fruit much faster, maybe even in months sometimes. I've got a mango tree thats 6 months old (cutting) it's flowering and the ovaries are pollinated starting to resemble like tiny mangoes.

[aamirc]

yes it probably was a cutting or he was 'fibbing' ... Mine are actually on their ninth set now, so edibles we are still even. Oh I found another pomegranate seedling growing in my garden where I didn't plant a seed. It must have come from a pomegranate that went off that I threw there. I currently have 9 seedlings growing now, hopefully one of them produces nice fruit in the future. I have like three different varieties for sure.

[Nife180]

Hi People :P

I've transplanted my Pome graft that i've bought into a sandy, loam mixed with potting soil, ratio of sand to potting soil is 1:2. Do you think that will be ok for the pome as I heard it doesn't like fertile soil. And It was planted in half soil/half sand.

[edibles]

yes it probably was a cutting or he was 'fibbing' ... Mine are actually on their ninth set now, so edibles we are still even. Oh I found another pomegranate seedling growing in my garden where I didn't plant a seed. It must have come from a pomegranate that went off that I threw there. I currently have 9 seedlings growing now, hopefully one of them produces nice fruit in the future. I have like three different varieties for sure.

no you are definitely ahead, and with your lovely Aussie climate, it will stay that way

[aamirc]

the only crappy thing in Australia is that the soil doesn't naturally have lots of nutrients... I believe it's because the population level was very low until recently. Having herds of animals constantly grazing the land for millenniums of years definitely improves the soil structure. There's definitely not enough cow poop in Australia yet, we'll have to wait a couple more centuries for that... :p

[Riz]

left the pommie bush out for a few hours everyday.... and in the evenings i bring it back in and leave it on the kitchen floor

[edibles]

everytime I look at that thing, i like it more and more, nice plant riz. how is the other one.
i really do not think that you can complain about the Aussie growing conditions, you can buy fertilizer i cant buy sunshine and warmth.

[aamirc]

technically you can... :p ... Indoor lighting and heating like Riz does... or buy one of those greenhouses. lol

[edibles]

out of curiosity,whats in the big basket riz?

[~Obsidian~]

I've finally gotten around to crushing my pommy arils. Will plant them on later today.

[aamirc]

why crush when you can carefully remove the seed unharmed by only eating the outside part? That's what I did. It's less of a waste of perfectly edible stuff

[~Obsidian~]

The pommy was off :) they weren't available in my area so when I found the ones going off in another area I didn't hesitate to buy one because I knew I wouldn't be eating it.

I ate the ones last time though

[edibles]

the one that are going off tend to be more ripe, so you should stand a good chance

[aamirc]

Then you should get about 40 seeds or so.... You are definitely gonna get it to grow big this time.

I was reading on the net that Pomegranates cuttings root really easily. One bloke went so far as to say that "if you turn your eye away from a branch lying on the floor for even a second, watch out it might root". Winter is about 1 month away I can't wait. I'm Gonna try it. I'm also going back to Pakistan at the end of the year to meet my grandparents. My grandfather has a tree and it's going to be winter there so i'll try to get some cuttings to root there too. I'll take pictures of it for you guys. It's going to be so much fun this year.

[~Obsidian~]

^^ InshaAllah :)

[edibles]

Then you should get about 40 seeds or so.... You are definitely gonna get it to grow big this time.

I was reading on the net that Pomegranates cuttings root really easily. One bloke went so far as to say that "if you turn your eye away from a branch lying on the floor for even a second, watch out it might root". Winter is about 1 month away I can't wait. I'm Gonna try it. I'm also going back to Pakistan at the end of the year to meet my grandparents. My grandfather has a tree and it's going to be winter there so i'll try to get some cuttings to root there too. I'll take pictures of it for you guys. It's going to be so much fun this year.

nice one hot country to another, if you dont mind me asking, what province are you from

[aamirc]

nice one hot country to another, if you dont mind me asking, what province are you from

In Australia I live in New SOuth Wales. In Pakistan I am from Azad Kashmir, on the border of Punjab. Near Mirpur. It gets colder in the winter than Australia, but there is never any snow. :D

[edibles]

I bet it gets just as hot in summer though you are on the other side of the border from were i come from, though were i come from their isn't even frost.

[aamirc]

i guess it doesn't get cold enough to kill plants, which is a good thing. I've never been there in Summer since 1994 when I was like 5 years old. So I don't know how hot summer gets there. We only go in the winter during the christmas break.

[edibles]

I can see a fifth set appearing, i'm so happy

[Psypomp]

Well, I decided to try growing some pommies again. The weather is glorious! Hopefully I'll have more luck this time around...

[Riz]

^ yeah..

good luck with it.. you guys always get great weather.. its actually really cold right now in uk.. i had to turn the heating up..

[edibles]

nothing but clear skies and sun today the pomegranate was really happy and is noticeably bigger now than this morning, and more sun set for tommorow, monday doesnt look to shabby either

has any one else noticed that they grow more at night than in day

good luck psypomp

[aamirc]

has any one else noticed that they grow more at night than in day


Yes I usually put my plant in the darkest possible place at night. To maximise growth. I think plants try and grow towards light. Hence, they attempt to do this at night when they can't find any light. We did an experiment in high school once where we planted two seeds in cotton wool buds. One seed we left in a closed drawer with no light. The other one we left on a window sill with lots of light. After a week we saw the plants in the dark were like three times as big as the ones on the window sills. I think this is not healthy for the plants though...

[~Obsidian~]

It's definitely not healthy, and is known as plant etiolation (plants in this state are said to be etiolated). The plant uses all of its energy trying to find light that it ends up overstretched, weak, and light green not having much chlorophyll left. Once in this state its usually a goner because it's used up everything it had - this death only occurs in prolonged absence of light though.

Etiolation may also happen mildly when theres not enough light, for example when growing something out of season without supplemental lights.

[aamirc]

Yeah, I thought so. Definitely unhealthy for the plants.

Congrats Obsidian for reaching a thousand posts of intriguing insight and useful knowledge. :D

[~Obsidian~]

LOL thank you, you obviously haven't read most of them :D

Anywhoo back to topic..I should really get a move on with these

[edibles]

have you sowed them yet?

[~Obsidian~]

Nope been too busy!

[edibles]

:( boo its losing the really nice red stem colour for a more traditional colour

[Riz]

the pommie bushes dont like the cold.. i left both of them outdoors by mistake 2 days ago.. and most of the leaves have fallen of the big one. but not all of them i shall have to be careful and not leave anything out late at night because of the coldness.. no point of working hard on them and then just losing them to the weather...

[digi-girl]

I just planted my first pomegranate seeds yesterday with help from this thread, I've read over the whole thread so I can get an idea of what's to come. I can't wait to see them start to sprout!

I planted about 60 seeds from a pomegranate I got back in December and I've got them started in those little peat moss rounds you can get from the store (they came in a set of 25 and I have 2-3 seeds in each round) and they're in a mini greenhouse box sitting next to a sunny window.

This is my first time growing anything other then flowers from seeds so I'm a little nervous, hence the reason why I planted so many, I want to make sure I can keep a few of them alive. :) Any suggestions that could help?

[Riz]

Hi digi-girl...

Looks like you have done everything right :)

you will be fine, just make sure the peat pucks dont dry out, and you will have germination.. what are you going to do with all your pommie plants in the future you have sowed so many !! :)

[aamirc]

:D The more the merrier. Although you should have planted seeds from a wide variety of pomegranates. It would have been interesting to see the diversity in the seedlings. They should grow in 4 weeks. Be patient I gave up on mine then all of a sudden 5 of them popped out.

[digi-girl]

I want to keep 2 or 3 of them for myself. I want to give one to my grandmother- she has a a small green room attached to her house and she likes growing things like these, she has a dwarf orange tree that puts out fruit, so a pomegranate tree will be perfect for her. I'm going to leave some with my mom and give a few to my friends too. If I still have some after that I'll probably end up selling them.

And now I wish I had some seeds from other types of pommies, it would have been really cool to compare them side by side. Oh well, everything's better in hind sight.

[~Obsidian~]

It's not too late to get other types of seeds now :)

Are pommies self-fertile? If not you might wanna give granny two!

Good luck keeping them all alive!

:sunny:

[edibles]

poms are both self fertile and cross pollinating however more fruit sets on the latter.
I can see the very early stage of the spear that turns into set 6.
how are everyone else's coming along, tahir, obsidian, riz, pomegranate

[tahir_phoenix]

My first pommie is doing really well and has started "branching out" :) and beginning to look more like a pommie plant. It still has the red stem and the bright vibrant green leaves.

I'm a catching u with this one Riz!! :D

As for the other seedlings, out of the 7 i had, i gave 5 to pomegranate (not sure where he's got to?) the other 2 are not growing much at all since I repotted them, so mixed results so far!

[~Obsidian~]

:GreenThumbs:

[aamirc]

Nice pic Tahir one of my pommie plants has two main branches the other is growing straight upwards. It is longer than yours but no branching yet. It has ten sets of identical leaves. I can feel the woody main stem plus you can see a slight wooden texture. The top of the stem is still reddish. I will post a picture tomorrow. My exams are finished now.

[aamirc]

You can see two of my pommie plants here in these pics. The third one is hidden under the lemon and orange seedlings.



admin: cropped the pic, it was too big. the forum was bent out of shape :)
http://i41.tinypic.com/ev2phl.jpg

:D

[Riz]

these 2 pics are of pommie trees in Pakistan, a friend of mine took the pics

its a great looking tree :)


http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa300/sajid_012/Ayeshascapture018-1.jpg


http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa300/sajid_012/Ayeshascapture019-1.jpg

[~Obsidian~]

Wuhoo masha Allah :eek: those pictures are amazing!!!

[tahir_phoenix]

aamirc - those seedlings are looking good, how many have you got in total??

Riz - the pics are excellent, this is why the pomegranate is one of the best fruit trees to grow :GreenThumbs:

[edibles]

riz you brung back some memories with them pics it is a very nice tree flowers or not

[aamirc]

aamirc - those seedlings are looking good, how many have you got in total??

I've got three of the ones in that pot, but i've got about 5 seedlings which are definetly a different type of pomegranate. These later ones only have 3 sets of leaves though. So in total i think I have around 8.

[edibles]

heres mine, the leaves are a little different from the ones you guys are growing.

its been sunny all day were I am, which always puts me in a smiley mood:):)

[aamirc]

one of my other pommie plants has a similar leaf structure to yours edibles. Nice and small but robust. They feel much stronger and sturdier than the one that is in the picture I posted above. The leaves are thicker as well.

[aamirc]

http://i43.tinypic.com/qoue6u.jpg

[tahir_phoenix]

Hey edibles - that looks impressive - And no sign of imminant death :p as with your previous ones - I thought u said it was losing its red stem - looks nice and bright to me.

aamirc - thats growing pretty fast, what else have u got in that pot??? - Noticed the wheelie bin with yellow lid in the back - do u guys have coloured bins like green for garden waste, blue for paper etc??? I need to know these things in case I emmigrate to Oz :D

[aamirc]

aamirc - thats growing pretty fast, what else have u got in that pot??? - Noticed the wheelie bin with yellow lid in the back - do u guys have coloured bins like green for garden waste, blue for paper etc??? I need to know these things in case I emmigrate to Oz :D

Firstly Tahir, I've got three pomegranate plants in that pot, and three lemon plants, and a valencia orange plant as well.

Secondly, In Australia yellow bin is for recycling stuff, green bin is for garden waste, and the red bin is for general waste. I don't see why these things are important for you to immigrate. I don't think the Australian government asks what the colour of the bins stand for. :D Anyway, I don't think it matters anyway. Every city and council have different colour schemes.

Thirdly, inshaallah all these plants grow into massive trees. :GreenThumbs:

[digi-girl]

I went and took a look at my seeds today and I've got germination after just two weeks! From what I can see I've got about 19 that have sprouted. Today is a most wonderful day. :)

edibles - what a pretty pommie, it has such vibrant colors!

[Riz]

hi digi girl..

so you have two in each peat puck,, you going to pull one out and leave one to grow on !!?

[digi-girl]

I'm not quite sure yet, so far I only have double growth in three pucks. If I get a plant in each puck then yes I'll definitely remove the ones that are floundering. But if some of them don't grow I'm thinking of moving the extras to one of those pucks.

[aamirc]

wow... you are so lucky only two weeks... mine took forever.... 4 weeks that is :D

[digi-girl]

My pommies are coming in quite nicely now, and I'm having fun documenting the growth of the first one to pop up. Every few days I go and take a picture, it's amazing to see how much they've grown in just a week.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/digi-girl/pommies/progression-1.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/digi-girl/pommies/P5130421.jpg

aamirc - maybe the germination time is different for the various types of pommies and that's why yours took longer? But either way yours are sure making up for being slow starters.

[aamirc]

yeh probably the reason why, my ones didn't grow straight up fast like yours either. I guess different strains will have different growing characteristics. Awesome pics DIgi-Girl. I have to buy some of those peat packs. They seem like a better idea than pots for seed germination. Once your seeds germinate you can plant them almost anywhere with barely any transplant shock. Pots are annoying to transplant with.

[~Obsidian~]

I think a coupla pommies sprouted a few days ago. Might not be though, but one is definitely sprouting soon iA I can remember what I planted in that pot and the seed has risen to the surface.

[edibles]

im on set 9 now with tenth spear thingy visible 2-3 inches high. also baby leaves fallen off.

hows every one else coming along

[edibles]

:)

[aamirc]

wow that looks freakish... nice pic... ur pommie is going really nicelly

[Psypomp]

After months of failing, I believe my seeds have germinated! (all 2 of them)
I thought the seeds had gone bad, because these took almost a month to sprout!
Here is one:

[Riz]

awww

well done :) it will inshallah grow well now it has sprouted :)

[edibles]

trust me on this, once you get one to grow you dont need any more seedlings.
i should know, ive had about a million

[tahir_phoenix]

Great pictures everyone and looks like the recent good weather has helped the seeds to germinate! My first seedling has grown like a rocket and still no sign of slowing down, i love the bright green leaves and reddish stem, but strangely the other two seedlings in the same pot haven't done much (they germinated at the same time?)

[Psypomp]

Thank you Riz and Edibles, I couldn't have done it without this forum.
By the way, everybody's pommies look fabulous.

This isn't too related, but my dad has been pressuring me to transfer my plants to the ground, because he believes they are "suffocating" in their containers. As long as the container is large enough, however, shouldn't the plant be OK? I want the plants (esp. my pomegranate) to be safe from pests and foreign soil.

[edibles]

you're not on your own
my dad keeps telling me to put them in huge pots. he says they are not growing when they clearly are so i tell him that i will pot them on "eventually". the plants are fine the pots for now

[pomegranate]

tahir was that plant germinated at the same time as the ones you sent me. my one is still a small plant, no where near yours!!

wonder what might be causing this.

[tahir_phoenix]

tahir was that plant germinated at the same time as the ones you sent me. my one is still a small plant, no where near yours!!

wonder what might be causing this.

Yes the plant was germinated at the same time as all the other seeds. All the seeds were planted into a small pot and I seperated that big one a week before I split the others up.

If its any consolation the two other seedlings I kept have not grown much at all - see the pics . I think the first pommie was kept in full sun and this might have helped it grow faster or it could be that it transplanted better than the others and adapted better to its new pot.

Not sure really but try putting yours in full sun and see what happens - did u plant them in seperate pots? If so try them in different locations around the house.

[edibles]

tahir that frist one is on the bed, if you are running low on space i'll happily take it off your hands:p:p

[pomegranate]

i planted mine in small pot and left it inside my house. i also tried taking one plant out side in the full sun but, it died. do i got scared and left it inside.

this is tallest one i've got

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[Riz]

This isn't too related, but my dad has been pressuring me to transfer my plants to the ground, because he believes they are "suffocating" in their containers. As long as the container is large enough, however, shouldn't the plant be OK? I want the plants (esp. my pomegranate) to be safe from pests and foreign soil.



Is the roots poking out of the bottom of the pot ?.. i have only repotted my pommie plant once in 2 seasons :) if its really ,really rootbound then i would pot it in a bigger container but if not i would leave it alone ,

yeah i prefer mine growing in pots too :)

[~Obsidian~]

Mine sprouted a few weeks back, and are VERY cramped because I have loads in one pot! The biggest ones are onto the second set of proper leaves.

[edibles]

no branching but has reached 11th proper set of leave

[Psypomp]

Is the roots poking out of the bottom of the pot ?.. i have only repotted my pommie plant once in 2 seasons :) if its really ,really rootbound then i would pot it in a bigger container but if not i would leave it alone ,

yeah i prefer mine growing in pots too :)No, it's nothing like that. My plants are puny :rolleyes:

[Nife180]

Just trimed the overgrown suckers, on my grafted pomegranate. The suckers where larger than the scions, (there are two). It's potted in a 40 liter container with a sand & potting soil mix, I periodically amend it with soil to give it more nutrients.

I'm trying to root the suckers that I took out, Hope it go's well.

[tahir_phoenix]

no branching but has reached 11th proper set of leave

Mine didn't start branching til it got to around 15 sets but yours should reach that in the next few weeks - its really growing fast - looks nice and bright red/green! :goodpost:

[edibles]

some more pics, note how the leaves are bigger at the top and also how much more compact this plant is, and one last thing is the colour is different at the top and bottom

[tahir_phoenix]

Nice photos Edibles what camera do u use?? And how many seedlings have u got in that pot - the smaller ones seem to be struggling compared to the main one?

Yes the leaves will get much bigger at the top, mine at the bottom have started to drop off and some are going yellow :eek: - is this down to too much sunlight?

[Riz]

^ T

Do you give the plant any nutrients or fertilizers, seems like its crying out for some, but i have noticed that yellowing of the leaves is natural to a certain extent.

[digi-girl]

My pommies must be weirdos, most of them are working on their 3rd and 4th set of true leaves, but some of them are already starting to branch out.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/digi-girl/pommies/P6220611.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/digi-girl/pommies/P6220616.jpg

[tahir_phoenix]

These look healthy enough, maybe the ones branching out are different varieties or in a warmer spot. :confused:

Riz - I've given the plant some feed yesterday and will see what happens!

[edibles]

Nice photos Edibles what camera do u use?? And how many seedlings have u got in that pot - the smaller ones seem to be struggling compared to the main one?

Yes the leaves will get much bigger at the top, mine at the bottom have started to drop off and some are going yellow :eek: - is this down to too much sunlight?

thank you, i use a fuji fine pix s8000fd it has got a good macro, Its similar to the one you reccomended riz but no longer available through fuji and is getting uncommon now, so i dont know how it compares to newer versions.

I will upload a pic of the drfruit seedlings soon

I doubt you can give even the young ones too much sunshine in Britain, in fact their native climate isnt to far off:tumbleweed: the leaves will likely just be getting old. remember to emulate a short winter period this winter.

[edibles]

Digi girl you have so many seedlings not surprised that their is a bit of variation :)

[edibles]

it's been a while riz how about an update

[Riz]

well....

both of my pommies WERE doing quite well, so i re-potted one of them in a bigger container and left both of them outside in mid- may, went away for a few days and because it was cold in the evenings and i dint harden them off properly, they shrivelled up and lost lots of leaves..

but on the pus side both are making a comeback i have seen tiny green leaves ( new growth) so i am so pleased, ill get a pic soon :0


ps.. let that be a lesson to everyone ..(39)

[edibles]

BRANCHING!! * Regains composure *
I'm quite pleased

Good luck riz

[~Obsidian~]

Oh no Riz, sucks!

Great edibles!! :D:D:D

[edibles]

Pics

1: branching
2: young seedlings

[tahir_phoenix]

Excellent - these will grow very quickly now, make sure to give them as much light as possible :goodpost:

[Riz]

here is a pic of my pommie plants when times were good :)

http://i198.photobucket.com/albums/aa300/sajid_012/beautiful.jpg




the two outside are looking tired at the moment but will bounce back as i see new growth everyday, ill take a pic later on of that !!

[edibles]

these are very fast growing plants, visible size difference, on a day to day time limit

is that a befor pic because thier are lots of leaves not looking bad at all

[Riz]

these are very fast growing plants, visible size difference, on a day to day time limit

is that a befor pic because thier are lots of leaves not looking bad at all


it was before i left them outdoors for few cold nights...


if your pommie plant is just growing upwards with little branching.. you can always carefully bend the top and tie it down which will expose the leaves benaeth it and it will quickly branch out, you can untie it after 3 days and you will be very pleased with the results.. you can do this with other plants as well , its called "bushing out" the pommies are quite flexible i have noticed and the stem is not woody even in the second season, this is what i have seen with mine.. tie`ing plants down does work and it really bushes out, because you are exposing the canopy to light..

[digi-girl]

it was before i left them outdoors for few cold nights...


if your pommie plant is just growing upwards with little branching.. you can always carefully bend the top and tie it down which will expose the leaves beneath it and it will quickly branch out, you can untie it after 3 days and you will be very pleased with the results.. you can do this with other plants as well , its called "bushing out" the pommies are quite flexible i have noticed and the stem is not woody even in the second season, this is what i have seen with mine.. tie`ing plants down does work and it really bushes out, because you are exposing the canopy to light..


That must have something to do with why my pommies are branching out so much, I keep rotating the planters they're in so all sides of the plants get light. Though recently it's been cold and wet so I've lost 5 of my smaller pommies, but the ones that are left look really good. The tallest is working on it's 7th set of leaves and is just starting to branch out.

This one has the most branches starting on it
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/digi-girl/pommies/P7020628.jpg
Continuing with my pet project of following the growth of my first pomegranate to pop up
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v227/digi-girl/pommies/progression3.jpg

[~Obsidian~]

Hey nice sequence of pics digi-girl! I've neglected to take pictures of my pommie plants, they just look nie and healthy-green, in need of re-potting. Well done with yours!

[Riz]

they are recovering well... :violin:




:animal0019:

[~Obsidian~]

:)

[Riz]

that is the prettiest pommie plant i have ever seen :)

is there just one inside that pot !?

[tahir_phoenix]

I'm guessing there are 4 plants in that pot but looks great :goodpost:

[~Obsidian~]

You two are both way off. There are 22 (now 21) seedlings in that pot!

[edibles]

:eek:21!!
they look great btw

How are yours T, digi girl, riz

[edibles]

Big plant and the younger one

[Riz]

very nice edibles

are you still keeping them indoors !?

my pommie plants are really going for it, lots of leaves sprouting and generally looking really healthy

[aamirc]

Wow, all your pommies are growing so nicely, I can't say the same for mine. Mine are on the brink of death. Exam period came around and so did the clouds, conditions were atrocious. All this resulted in my plants not getting enough sun and possibly too much or too little water. :D Anyways nice to know that yours are doing mighty fine.

[~Obsidian~]

Some of mine are branching out :eek:

Aamirc, they must look pretty pathetic! I have a batch indoors that are spindly, dark green and tiny/thin, yours can't be as bad as those surely?

[edibles]

they are indoors for now

[Riz]

mine are really taking off with multiple leaves on very node of the branch, both of them look tough and blooming,. I hope we get a really warm august too, i was talking to an old timer and he said we might even get a long summer this year, as it may still stay warm till mid October... i hope he is right though.. ;)

[digi-girl]

my pommies are looking quite nice, though the small leaves at the bottom of the plants are falling off now.
These are the ones that have the most branches, three each. Out of the 20, two have 3 branches and about 12 have two branches. the tallest is on it's 12th set of leaves
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[edibles]

very nice