grape vine

[globalart4u]

planted a grapevine in the garden two years ago. it has not given us anything except lots of leaves. do you know how long before we will get any fruit. i know when we lived in Iran (my dad got a job there) many years ago the gardener used to give the grapevine goats blood (yucky) but it sure gave a lot of lovely grapes. i do not really want to give blood to it with all the mad cow stuff going around. do you think fish blood would be any good? or?

[Riz]

how are you going to apply the fish blood, through a liquid feed ?
or are you going to mix some up with the top soil ? it should be fine either way, if you have a pic i would love to see it.

Riz-

[Sakeena]

hi there globalart, give blood to a plant? i've never come a cross that (sounds rather odd) what are the benefits compared to water?

i'm assuming you'd only do this with grape vines right?

[Riz]

Hi sakeena :)

fish blood and blood in general is high in nitrogen and it helps the plant to grow, the results can be amazing, i use fish blood for my roses, radishes and almost everything i grow.

[Sakeena]

Salam Riz, really? hmm...but fishes don't bleed much so i would imagine you'd be draining a lot of fishes (yeeeew!!)

doesn't the plant/soil stink?

[Riz]

we are talking fish lungs etc.. all included grinded up, ( looks like sand) it doesnt really smell atall. Its natural so no chemicals are used, it takes longer to work on plants and vegetables , i use liquid seaweed aswell a little more expensive but still natural all the way,


2 links
http://www.livingscapenursery.com/plant-ebstone.htm


http://www.bizrate.co.uk/fertilisers/oid336259325.html

[Riz]

Fish Emulsion


FISH MEAL IS USEFUL FOR

For nitrogen hungry vegetables.
In early spring to green up the lawn
For leafy root crops
it is processed from fish food industry waste. Fish should not be caught specifically for making fertilizer, especially fish from depleted fish stocks. Fish waste is cooked and the oils extracted to prevent rancidity and aid transport. Processing may involve the addition of sulphuric or phoshoric acids to stabilise the product and prevent premature break-down. This provides additional nutrient value.
I haven't discovered a supplier on the internet. Fish Emulsion is probably locally available near to sea ports.
Analysis - nitrogen 4, phosphorus 1, potassium 1, sulphur 5, and trace elements.
Application And Rate - 1 Tablespoon Fish Emulsion per gallon of water. Can be applied as a folia feed followed by a good watering of the soil to give root growth a chance. Apply with Seaweed Extract.
Release Rate - rapid.


read on ...............

http://www.the-organic-gardener.com/fish-emulsion.html


ps.. next time you take a visit to B&Q take a look at the fertilizer section and you will see lots of difrent brands of fish blood meal and fish emulsion

[Sakeena]

thank you for all the info!

wow, live and learn...:)

[globalart4u]

probably mix it with the soil. yes when i first saw the gardener do it with goats blood i thought it was disgusting but hey if it works. here i prefer fish blood as the other animal blood may be contaminated with pigs blood. sorry no pics but inshallah next year when it starts to grow again i will put on

[globalart4u]

the grape vine has been cut down to the ground and covered with newspaper so it does not get frost bite. I just cover the top and hold it down with bricks or stones to keep it in place

[Riz]

the grape vine has been cut down to the ground and covered with newspaper so it does not get frost bite. I just cover the top and hold it down with bricks or stones to keep it in place

salaam, global

i had to do the same with a few plants outdoors in the garden, but i bought some bags of garden mulch and hopefully that will do the trick,

:)

[globalart4u]

i cover it with mulch too but to be on the safe side use the newspaper as it is a great insulator. i also cover my wee olive tree with it too over the winter - as long as the roots are not damaged with frost then the plants will survive bad winters

[Kirsten]

I am having the same problem - we've had our grapevine for about seven years and every year it grows huge glossy leaves and covers the fence it climbs... but no grapes. What can I do besides dump fish products on it? I forsee having a very hard time convincing the family to approve of this method (haven't even gotten approval for a compost bin...) so I would really prefer an alternative method.

[Riz]

Hey kirsten

More than likely it is a male or female muscadine?, not a perfect flowered dioecious, grapevines are male and female, it could need pollinating by a male grapevine

[Riz]

Ive never planted a grapevine before but here is some info that might be useful to you.. http://www.whatprice.co.uk/gardening/grapes.html

[Kirsten]

wow thank you Riz, I'll check those out :)

As to whether it's female or male, I have NO idea. I didn't even know grapevines could be male and female... (embarrased now) My dad brought it back from some friend's place a long time ago and I don't know if it even grew grapes there. I'll have to ask...

[Riz]

Its a good chance its a male, what people usually do is to "graft" a female cutting onto the male, but i have never done it..apart from it looking pleasing to the eye it wont produce the "fruit" as far as i can tell... i bet its a gorgeus looking vine though eh !!? :)

[Kirsten]

If you think a vine that grows nothing but leaves and japanese beetles is gorgeous, then yes :p

There's been a longstanding fight in my parents' house about it. Dad wants to keep it for sentimental reasons, mom wants to chuck it and plant cucumbers or something else that can climb the fence. This happens every year and Dad always wins out in hopes that this'll finally be the year that it produces grapes. Thanks again for your info - Mom will surely appreciate it and use it as ammo against Dad!

[~Obsidian~]

I bought a grape vine today, boskoop glory - wondering how/where I'm going to plant it out. It needs full sun so I'm going to have to put it where I was originally going to have the cukes/tomatoes. I'm thinking to put the arch over the tomatoes and have the grape vine grow up that, and make another support for the cukes so I save some space! Any tips? I hope it fruits, will be kinda annoyed to find out its only a single sex plant!

[~Obsidian~]

Been scouring the net and can't find any evidence that 'boskoop glory' is self-fertile. Can anyone confirm that for me? I don't want to buy another one!

[pwr_wrx]

I also have a grapevine...planted it a few years back...it was giving green grapes but they were always hard...maybe it needed more water?? i took some cuttngs from it when it went dormant and planted 2 in soil and 6 in water..i read somewhere that someone put a bunch of cuttings in water and it grew a lot of roots..but i havent seen any result from that..the one i put in the soil with rooting hormone is growing leaves :) heres a pic..one the snow melts i might try a few more..

[~Obsidian~]

Woah, you had grapes! How's it doing now?

[pwr_wrx]

the cutting is growing more leaves...but my big vine hasnt started growing any leaves yet..maybe in a few weeks..hoping all my other cuttings will grow too!